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	<title>Comments on: 好天真好傻之後</title>
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	<description>只談老實私見。</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zaku</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51221</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>看蘋果對阿嬌的批評~
不如看某幾份報紙~~

例如頭條日報,有阿嬌第一次記招,
便以「勇敢站出來」,「炒絲支持」來形容~
相反EDC的聲明便是「賤男形象已成」,「事業一舖清」~
對兩名當事人的描述可謂差天共地~有趣有趣~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>看蘋果對阿嬌的批評~<br />
不如看某幾份報紙~~</p>
<p>例如頭條日報,有阿嬌第一次記招,<br />
便以「勇敢站出來」,「炒絲支持」來形容~<br />
相反EDC的聲明便是「賤男形象已成」,「事業一舖清」~<br />
對兩名當事人的描述可謂差天共地~有趣有趣~</p>
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		<title>By: 方潤</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51207</link>
		<dc:creator>方潤</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>我倒不贊同那大哥是「虛偽」。
那分明是擺明車馬作賤人，如果他不是大哥，早就被傳媒像陳健康般玩死了。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我倒不贊同那大哥是「虛偽」。<br />
那分明是擺明車馬作賤人，如果他不是大哥，早就被傳媒像陳健康般玩死了。</p>
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		<title>By: tse</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51205</link>
		<dc:creator>tse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>我諗你搞錯左一樣野
我吾理虛偽在在字典中的正確解釋為何
一般的通俗解釋是，有意地欺騙，
假如李怡本身也是被誤導的，就談不上虛偽陳述，本質上跟仁戰嬌的虛偽完全不同。
至於李怡本身是否被誤導，我相信這點難以證明，除非他本人作出解話。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我諗你搞錯左一樣野<br />
我吾理虛偽在在字典中的正確解釋為何<br />
一般的通俗解釋是，有意地欺騙，<br />
假如李怡本身也是被誤導的，就談不上虛偽陳述，本質上跟仁戰嬌的虛偽完全不同。<br />
至於李怡本身是否被誤導，我相信這點難以證明，除非他本人作出解話。</p>
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		<title>By: 野蠻郡主</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51198</link>
		<dc:creator>野蠻郡主</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>其實做藝人點都要俾d正面訊息給fans，雖然佢未能做到以身作則。
但都係公司要求同佢又接受公司要求，虛藝與否，不作評論。

我又會覺得，自己影係一回事(跟本冇諗過公開)，依家係不幸俾人公開左！
喊，俾人覺得扮弱者，唔知錯！
但俾人偷影又係一回事喎！唔可以相題並論！</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>其實做藝人點都要俾d正面訊息給fans，雖然佢未能做到以身作則。<br />
但都係公司要求同佢又接受公司要求，虛藝與否，不作評論。</p>
<p>我又會覺得，自己影係一回事(跟本冇諗過公開)，依家係不幸俾人公開左！<br />
喊，俾人覺得扮弱者，唔知錯！<br />
但俾人偷影又係一回事喎！唔可以相題並論！</p>
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		<title>By: 公園仔</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51196</link>
		<dc:creator>公園仔</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>如果作者要批評的有是如敵國的同行，讀者打個八折也是人之常情。有趣的是，蘋果排山倒海的針對性報導阿嬌，按樓上拿拿君的說法，其實也可以看成同行之間的互攻吧。因為阿嬌背後也有個傳媒集團。那麼李怡／蘋果對阿嬌的批評，是否又應該打個八折？

問題正是因為我們批評某事情時，總喜歡新仇舊恨都算進去，甚至連當事人的背景（背後間公司給人的印象）都一併連上，那根本沒有議事論事的基礎，還用去討論？蘋果如是，拿拿君亦如是。

不如直跳到預設的結論：我對某某傳媒集團的大老闆好反感，所以一切他旗下的報刊／藝人我都好反感。

其實就算打了折，同行一樣可以互相批評的，只要討論時以事論事以理服人就可以。難道立法會議員就不可批評其他立法會議員，惠康就不可批評百佳嗎？最終看的還是立論，而不是出身背景。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>如果作者要批評的有是如敵國的同行，讀者打個八折也是人之常情。有趣的是，蘋果排山倒海的針對性報導阿嬌，按樓上拿拿君的說法，其實也可以看成同行之間的互攻吧。因為阿嬌背後也有個傳媒集團。那麼李怡／蘋果對阿嬌的批評，是否又應該打個八折？</p>
<p>問題正是因為我們批評某事情時，總喜歡新仇舊恨都算進去，甚至連當事人的背景（背後間公司給人的印象）都一併連上，那根本沒有議事論事的基礎，還用去討論？蘋果如是，拿拿君亦如是。</p>
<p>不如直跳到預設的結論：我對某某傳媒集團的大老闆好反感，所以一切他旗下的報刊／藝人我都好反感。</p>
<p>其實就算打了折，同行一樣可以互相批評的，只要討論時以事論事以理服人就可以。難道立法會議員就不可批評其他立法會議員，惠康就不可批評百佳嗎？最終看的還是立論，而不是出身背景。</p>
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		<title>By: 拿拿</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51193</link>
		<dc:creator>拿拿</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>我睇到既反而係有人/公司扮成受害者,控制傳媒,破壞法治
唔知你又點睇?
你可以話呢個係我既猜想
而你話生果要報上次一箭之仇
係咪又只係你既猜想呢?

至於作者你,係咪為生果報既同行工作既呢?
if yes,你都有conflict of interest,篇文可讀性起碼打個八折.

探討呢件事時唔好忽略佢背後間公司給人的印象也是令佢最為惹人反感既原因之一.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我睇到既反而係有人/公司扮成受害者,控制傳媒,破壞法治<br />
唔知你又點睇?<br />
你可以話呢個係我既猜想<br />
而你話生果要報上次一箭之仇<br />
係咪又只係你既猜想呢?</p>
<p>至於作者你,係咪為生果報既同行工作既呢?<br />
if yes,你都有conflict of interest,篇文可讀性起碼打個八折.</p>
<p>探討呢件事時唔好忽略佢背後間公司給人的印象也是令佢最為惹人反感既原因之一.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51190</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first, i'm not a fan of anyone...but i agree with your views on this issue...thanks for spending time writing this...

the people who are criticizing others severely are in fact having a very relaxed moral attitudes towards their own behaviors (searching for pics, intriding other ppl's privacy)...a sure double-standard...the ones who accused that others are fake are in fact hypocrites themselves...or they are jealous of the money and fame that the gals are making from their biz (ignoring the sacrifice or the efforts that they put in their work)

as an adult, i don't think she's wrong to have her own private life after her "work"...it's not fake to put on a "mask" if this is part of the "job"...to a certain extent, we all put on our "mask" in the workplace...as mature adults, we should understand that the job of the actors or singers are to "act" the role that their company assigned to them...it's just a job to earn a bowl of rice...moreover, the companies or the persons involved may not verify the authenticity of the pics if it'll lead to breaches of commercial contracts...it's business...and why would some people need a clarification? is it really based on a moral need or are ppl using morality as an excuse to satisfy their curiosity?

the ppl who are wrong in this incident are those who put other ppl's private pictures on the web...and those who put inappropriate moral blames or even personal attacks on these gals after looking at their private pics which are not meant to be shown in public ...the only thing that is wrong with the gals in the pics is their lack of sense of security...they should know how to protect themselves...and not to let others taking pictures like these no matter what...

if we put ourselves into other ppl's shoes....we'll treat them with much more tolerance and acceptance...making this a better world for all...if gil has already came out and made a declaration, please give people a chance and let her go.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first, i&#8217;m not a fan of anyone&#8230;but i agree with your views on this issue&#8230;thanks for spending time writing this&#8230;</p>
<p>the people who are criticizing others severely are in fact having a very relaxed moral attitudes towards their own behaviors (searching for pics, intriding other ppl&#8217;s privacy)&#8230;a sure double-standard&#8230;the ones who accused that others are fake are in fact hypocrites themselves&#8230;or they are jealous of the money and fame that the gals are making from their biz (ignoring the sacrifice or the efforts that they put in their work)</p>
<p>as an adult, i don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s wrong to have her own private life after her &#8220;work&#8221;&#8230;it&#8217;s not fake to put on a &#8220;mask&#8221; if this is part of the &#8220;job&#8221;&#8230;to a certain extent, we all put on our &#8220;mask&#8221; in the workplace&#8230;as mature adults, we should understand that the job of the actors or singers are to &#8220;act&#8221; the role that their company assigned to them&#8230;it&#8217;s just a job to earn a bowl of rice&#8230;moreover, the companies or the persons involved may not verify the authenticity of the pics if it&#8217;ll lead to breaches of commercial contracts&#8230;it&#8217;s business&#8230;and why would some people need a clarification? is it really based on a moral need or are ppl using morality as an excuse to satisfy their curiosity?</p>
<p>the ppl who are wrong in this incident are those who put other ppl&#8217;s private pictures on the web&#8230;and those who put inappropriate moral blames or even personal attacks on these gals after looking at their private pics which are not meant to be shown in public &#8230;the only thing that is wrong with the gals in the pics is their lack of sense of security&#8230;they should know how to protect themselves&#8230;and not to let others taking pictures like these no matter what&#8230;</p>
<p>if we put ourselves into other ppl&#8217;s shoes&#8230;.we&#8217;ll treat them with much more tolerance and acceptance&#8230;making this a better world for all&#8230;if gil has already came out and made a declaration, please give people a chance and let her go&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: happy prince</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51189</link>
		<dc:creator>happy prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>今次親痛仇快，壹傳媒仲唔乘機報仇咁報。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>今次親痛仇快，壹傳媒仲唔乘機報仇咁報。</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51188</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"現時我們看了這些照片，然後以追本溯源的方式，去批抨阿嬌在以前涉及道德的言行，這明顯是犯了邏輯上的錯誤，因為這是事後孔明式的批評" -- this is not a logical fallacy at all. The idiom 事後孔明 is used to make fun of someone who claims to know the consequence before the fact; but it does not apply to criticism. By your logic, Russians couldn't criticize Lenin because they only knew of his mass murder after his death. 

True, Li's editorial has a factual error. But his argument is still sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;現時我們看了這些照片，然後以追本溯源的方式，去批抨阿嬌在以前涉及道德的言行，這明顯是犯了邏輯上的錯誤，因為這是事後孔明式的批評&#8221; &#8212; this is not a logical fallacy at all. The idiom 事後孔明 is used to make fun of someone who claims to know the consequence before the fact; but it does not apply to criticism. By your logic, Russians couldn&#8217;t criticize Lenin because they only knew of his mass murder after his death. </p>
<p>True, Li&#8217;s editorial has a factual error. But his argument is still sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Frostig</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51187</link>
		<dc:creator>Frostig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orangutan, 你的名字很可愛! 不過你的智商就遠比orangutan 高了,haha! 
同意你說,不看也看了;不敢直接承認也認了,算了,不用再理會了......  

當然,被偷拍,就算只是洗澡,甚至食飯都會覺得不開心(不過她之前的確是高調、誇張了點),跟自己做甚麼會自拍好像沒有關係...... 只是,被偷拍到一件小事都哭成那個樣子,好像很委屈很難受,現在人家就會覺得反差太大,很難接受。　

畢竟,這件事上差不多整個香港都是受害者,不管是私隱、警權、自由、性觀念等,都使我們受到壓迫,成為了受害者。

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orangutan, 你的名字很可愛! 不過你的智商就遠比orangutan 高了,haha!<br />
同意你說,不看也看了;不敢直接承認也認了,算了,不用再理會了&#8230;&#8230;  </p>
<p>當然,被偷拍,就算只是洗澡,甚至食飯都會覺得不開心(不過她之前的確是高調、誇張了點),跟自己做甚麼會自拍好像沒有關係&#8230;&#8230; 只是,被偷拍到一件小事都哭成那個樣子,好像很委屈很難受,現在人家就會覺得反差太大,很難接受。　</p>
<p>畢竟,這件事上差不多整個香港都是受害者,不管是私隱、警權、自由、性觀念等,都使我們受到壓迫,成為了受害者。</p>
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		<title>By: 我係衰人，但係唔會扮好人。</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51186</link>
		<dc:creator>我係衰人，但係唔會扮好人。</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>你想虛偽地呃全世界人成世，又有大錢賺!!你就想喇!!
所以呢次咪叫做報應lor~~!!
你既虛偽將你抬得越高，咪仆得越應~!!
你唔係仲想繼續虛偽狡辯丫嘛!?以為咁就應份冇事丫!?
人地男果個冇虛偽都仆得慘過你喎!!
你想冇事!!你就想喇~!!你估真係有錢大曬丫~!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>你想虛偽地呃全世界人成世，又有大錢賺!!你就想喇!!<br />
所以呢次咪叫做報應lor~~!!<br />
你既虛偽將你抬得越高，咪仆得越應~!!<br />
你唔係仲想繼續虛偽狡辯丫嘛!?以為咁就應份冇事丫!?<br />
人地男果個冇虛偽都仆得慘過你喎!!<br />
你想冇事!!你就想喇~!!你估真係有錢大曬丫~!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ui</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51182</link>
		<dc:creator>Ui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>从关注这个事情起,越来越觉得悲
她是受害者</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>从关注这个事情起,越来越觉得悲<br />
她是受害者</p>
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		<title>By: 白丁</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51181</link>
		<dc:creator>白丁</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>十分同意網主及orangutan之言!
一直很欣賞李怡，但看了生果那篇評論後感到很失望，為了justisfy生果之前的偷拍事件說歪理，文人風骨何存? 如果他是真心認同他所寫的則更叫人失望，男歡女愛本是平常，李怡以之為「髒事」，實在難以理解。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>十分同意網主及orangutan之言!<br />
一直很欣賞李怡，但看了生果那篇評論後感到很失望，為了justisfy生果之前的偷拍事件說歪理，文人風骨何存? 如果他是真心認同他所寫的則更叫人失望，男歡女愛本是平常，李怡以之為「髒事」，實在難以理解。</p>
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		<title>By: PK_</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51180</link>
		<dc:creator>PK_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, this is interesting!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, this is interesting!<br />
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		<title>By: PK_</title>
		<link>http://blog.hoiking.org/2008/02/12/1043/#comment-51179</link>
		<dc:creator>PK_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>報章也好，藝人也好，都係戲子，你扮天真，我扮下傻，有來有往，娛樂大眾。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>報章也好，藝人也好，都係戲子，你扮天真，我扮下傻，有來有往，娛樂大眾。</p>
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